Posted By: Tony  on Tuesday, June 03, 2008

I dont understand how the few women who are upset at Obama and say they will vote for Mccain. It dosent make any sense. I am not an Obama supporter but i have never heard Obama disrecpect Hillary. and even if he did this election is not over your desire to see a woman in the white but rather our need to change the way this country is heading because of the Republicans. You say you believe in education, economy and healthcare but you would rather vote for the same failed policies and then point your anger not at the media by boycotting them but at Obama who has done nothing against you. Wake up and stop thinking this election is about you, Its about the future of America. Go Hillary

Posted By: Dauric  on Tuesday, June 03, 2008

So, let's get this one straight...

Purely out of spite, a large segment of Democrats will vote for someone they completely disagree with, over someone they almost totally agree with, because the one they almost agree with isn't the one they completely agree with?

Or do these voters even care about the candidates policy stands? Do these voters actually agree with Hillary, or are they voting for her out of the novelty factor? If you're voting for her because she's a woman regardless of her policy positions it's a novelty factor. Anyone voting for Mr. Obama because he's black is using the same frivolous criteria.

Make your vote on someone's policy and how they will affect the country, not on which set of reproductive organs they have, or how much melanin is in their skin.

$0.02

Posted By: Peggy  on Tuesday, June 03, 2008

I hope that the inclusion of a rolling pin wielding, blue-haired woman was an attempt at irony.  A rolling pin for God's sake? How sexist can you be?

Posted By: Peggy  on Tuesday, June 03, 2008

I hope that the inclusion of a rolling pin wielding, blue-haired woman was an attempt at irony.  A rolling pin for God's sake? How sexist can you be?

Posted By: Lynne  on Tuesday, June 03, 2008

History repeats itself: Following the end of the Civil War, it took about 5 years for former slave MEN to get the right to vote. It took nearly 50 years more for WOMEN of ANY color to get the vote. These were our grandmothers, great-grandmothers, aunts and cousins. They suffered the same things as the 1960s Civil Rights marchers and protesters did, including jail and beatings, loss of family and heaps of derision. Yep, history is repeating. Ask most any woman "of color" (I hate that expression, but it fits here) whether they experience more discrimination because of color or gender, and nearly all agree:  Gender.



Is anyone REALLY surprised? Obama is a good man; Clinton is a good woman. They are both highly intelligent, literate and principled. He has far less experience, but possesses good leadership qualities, he is an entrepreneur; she is hard-working and has prepared herself for this fight for decades by learning how to get things done.



But it really comes down to one thing, and you know what that is: his plumbing is on the outside, hers on the inside. It has very little to do with character, intelligence or judgment. Let's hope it doesn't take 50 years to get a woman president.

Posted By: monet  on Tuesday, June 03, 2008

I ama woman of a certain age (close to Haillry's)who has been outraged at the sexism that surrounds Hillary's candidacy,so much so taht I voted for her even though I have some serious issues with her policies.  But that's a far cry from being "against" Obama. In fact, I suspect this is another overblown story that cherry picks a number of instances and generalizes, with sexism (oh those crazy, dried up, hateful women) fueling it. Whatever truth there is to anyone who mainatins they are voting for McCain (of all people)  because they are hurt about Hillary not being the Dem nominee--well, I don't get that; it's just stupid. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Posted By: Karin  on Tuesday, June 03, 2008

Being a woman very close in age to Hillary, I am very sensitive to the general put down of women - something I discovered that most men I have talked to do not in the least even recognize that exists.   There are so many of my generation, who have gotten the college degree at one age or another, to never ever hold a decent paying job in our lives.  Being underestimated. especially if we are not blonde and buxom, is a constant theme in our lives.  



AND  I agree with monet above, that voting for the opposite party is going to be far more damaging to our cause than to vote for Obama.   We are wise to not let our emotions over ride our interests.

Posted By: Glen Scutt  on Tuesday, June 03, 2008

There is a perception that Hillary was the best candidate, but did not get the nomination because she is a woman.  In such a close contest, this is not an unreasonable attitude.  In emails that I received over the past 6 months, there were at least 5 trashing Hillary, for every one sticking it to Barak.  And, the attacks on Hillary were nastier.  Apparently there are a lot of very insecure males in this country.  People found it easier to say "b...h" than "n....r."

Posted By: Spike  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008

Glen Scutt is right on.  Angry Democrats are now dumbing themselves down to the Neocon level.  And may well hand this election over to a

continuing Repub nightmare and resultant destruction of this nation.  Shame!

Posted By: Cassandra Kyle  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008

I am a "woman of a certain age" -- gahd, and if that's not a sexist appellation nothing else is (how come male voters aren't stigmatized by their age?) -- and I'm still voting for Obama, not because he's black and a man but because I like what he stands for and what he has to say.

Posted By: WILLOBIE  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008

Yea, like McCain with his trophy wife cares a damn about women.  The same McCain who made a crude joke about "why Chelses is so ugly".



Let's face it, the Democratic voters were treated to two ground-breaking candidates at the same time, and while Obama had more charisma, Hillary had too much Clinton baggage.

Posted By: Barry  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008

Sitting up here north of the line, I wish I could vote and lend support to Mrs. Clinton.  Obama may or may not be good for the world, but I fear his lack of hard-nosed experience puts us in jeopardy... again.  You people made a tragic mistake in the last two elections, even letting the current thief steal the deal in the first place.  You're being robbed blind as are we all, while Bush and Cheney are getting as rich as their arab friends.  I believe Obama might fix that, and I believe that Hillary would definately fix it.

Posted By: corintonic  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008

I am a male Hispanic in his 40's from Florida and I feel beyond betrayed by my so called Democratic Party, we the voters were disenfranchised and mocked by the national media during our election in January, the people of Florida voted overwhelmingly for Hillary but the press made fun of her coming to claim victory, because we the people did not matter, it is the delegates and super delegates like Ms. Brazile, she  and the rest of her super delegates will disenfranchised voters and say that they know better than the voters, I  am changing my party affiliation because this party does not want my voice to be heard, it will be hard to vote for the other party but these are the facts, the press has been so cozy to the Obama campaign and Hillary mistakes have been amplified a million times, just the example that the Reverend Wright speeches, when Obama did his speech in PA. the press was ga-ga over it like if he was giving us the cure for cancer, when the Reverend re appear again with his hateful speech, Obama had to throw him under the bus, but not before he had done so to his grandmother and basically call her a racist in Pa. What kind of ungrateful person does that to the grandmother that raise you? And on national tv no less?



I will not vote for Obama because I think he is a very flawed man, not because the color of his skin, but I do not like to have choices showed down my throat.

Posted By: Carole  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008

I voted for Hillary in the MA primary, by as time went by I related better to how Obama handled himself under pressure, truly showing that he is not going to give us the same old dirty politics that has rotted our nation. I am confident that he will surround himself with men and women of experience and restore our respect thoughout the world. I am further confident that Hillary will also do her part to heal the wounds caused by the greed and imperialistic Bush family and friends. Never have I felt so abused as a nation than by what the current adminstration has done to us. They have destroyed our credibility in the world, put us and our children into enormous debt, sold our country to China, ignored the threat of Global Warming to the detriment of life as we know it, and stolen our liberties and thwarted our own Constition and our core beliefs of basic human rights. Only a fool would vote for another Republican in the next election.

Posted By: outsider  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008

A friend of mine who is a Democrat told me his daughter actually said she was supporting Clinton because " I'm voting with my vagina". Now that Obama has won the nomination, let's stop all the angry rhetoric about empowering women and realize that the person really matters more than his or her gender or race. The truth is that Hillary ran a brutal and misguided campaign against Obama, and clearly showed she lacks the wisdom and judgment to make a good president. She is hardly the "last best hope" for a woman to become president. It's time for her supporters to realize that John McCain would only continue the terrible policies of the Bush administration that have weakened the United States at home and abroad, and vote with their brains.  

Posted By: Elore  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008

It is not a few women who are angry its a lot and I personally prefer MCcain to NObama. But you know I still have faith that somehow she still has a chance. There are two months until the convention in Denver. Stay tuned! Remember Rezko and Wright. Many other Ghosts will come out the closet.

Posted By: Norm from Georgia  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008

I find it ironic that anyone supporting Hillary, and thus, according to the tradition of Southern politics, her husband, for President, would find the "sweetie" remark objectional...

Posted By: Sarah  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008

I am a young Mexican-American women and I believe there has not been too much sexism in this primary.  I have watched CNN, read many newspapers, since January and I just think there is just too much feminist ideas out there.  Clinton has accomplished something big, even though it wasn't a nomination for the white house, but she has broken barriers for other women to move forward.  I am not a big Clinton fan for personal reasons, but I do applaud her for her courage.  Realize there was a need for change and obviously Clinton was not the answer.  As a graduate student, many young students (including myself) saw hope and aspiration in Obama's message.  That might be why in most of the primaries, 65% of the voters 35 or younger voted for Obama.  Do remember that there are thousands of young voters who needed this change and inspiration.  The interesting thing too is even after everything is said and done Clinton still does not concede.  It is up to her to bring this party together and from the looks of it, many women are hurt because she kept going and made allegations against the media and Obama's campaign.  Get with the program and lets actually start unifying!

Posted By: barbara wagner  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008

I am a 77 year old business (retired) woman.  I do not understand how all these supposedly intelligent women can back Hilary Clinton.  She has more emotional baggage than the Titanic.  What woman in her right mind except driven by an overthe top ego would put up with a habitual philandering husband.  She has very little self esteem.  And then there is her blatant over the top lies as she changes her persona almost daily.  Lets not forget her long term affair with Vince Foster (documented evidence) or the fact that she was the one the INSISTED Janet Reno do something about Waco which resulted in the deaths of 84 people and the Oklahoma City bombing as its aftermath.  Remember how the Clintons trashed the White House when they left.  THe nefarious schemes of her brothers. The pardons Bill dished out at the last moment.  HOW DID HE MAKE SO MANY MILLIONS SO QUICKLY since he left the White House.   The list goes on and on.  Simply go to the internet and READ FOR HEAVENS SAKE about the Clintonistas activities......vote for her because she is a woman? Get real.  I want a woman in the White House while I am still alive but I want it to be a woman who has some moral fiber and strength of character  to be her own person not a clone of her "can't keep his pants zipped" husband.   VOting for her truly is a vote with one's vagina not one's brain.  DO you really want Bilary in the White House, you get two for the price of one. And what a price that would be.



I am NOT an Obama fan nor will I vote for him.  So far he has been all flash and no substance. I don't think he can acquire the substance and many black people like these so called white women of a certain age will vote strictly because he is black.  It is time to vote with our brain and vote for leaders in this country who will UPHOLD the constitution... the most crucial test in electing anyone to any office in the land.

Posted By: Tired of the bickering  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008

Wow.....I think it is beyond arrogant that anyone believes President Bush is the only reason this country is falling apart. Get a grip on reality. Have you completely forgotten the crap we went through with the Clinton administration? Give me a break. No one man can destroy a country as powerful as ours in a mere 8 years. I am so sick of hearing this same crap every day on the TV.  It has been decades of turning the other way and abandoning our values. If anything, I think President Bush has brought some sanity back to this country and the liberals are too blinded by hate and anger to see it.

A lot of the crap going on has been a result of decades of bad moves and people disrespecting their country. People of this country disrespecting returning soldiers. (have we forgotten what happened after Vietnam?)

Just because you disagree with something that has happened doesn’t mean you should be a jerk to those fighting for the country.

I see bumper stickers all the time that say “bring our troops home!” what gives you the right to tell those Americans to come home? They are there because they want to be! And that is something you will never hear on the news.

Quoted from a earlier post: “You're being robbed blind as are we all, while Bush and Cheney are getting as rich as their arab friends. “ You have got to be kidding me!!! They don’t make any where near as much as even top CEO’s of this country make! Don’t you read these posts? There was one about how much the President makes just a month ago! Oh wait, the title challenged you so you didn’t bother checking it out. Am I right?

Shoot me down if you want to, I could really care less at this point. The funny thing is, there are plenty who will. But its about time the rest of us speak up and say “Shut up! Leave the US if you don’t like it here!!” Some day I hope you come to your senses and back off.

Is President Bush perfect? No, but he did plenty of good things in these trying times that John Kerry himself never would have been able to accomplish. Know how I know? John Kerry said so himself right after 9/11!!! He said “I am glad I didn’t get elected, after seeing this.”

Posted By: Tom Eadie  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008

Obama will pretty clearly be the Democratic candidate in the 2008 election.  So Hillary's shot at the presidency will come in 2012 - but only if Obama fails in 2008, or has an unsuccessful first term.  So it's in his interest not to give her a role in the 2008 campaign, or in his administration, which would position her to sabotage him.

Posted By: Barbara  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008

Looking at the comments it appears that all but three are voting for Obama against McCain.  I'm glad to see that.  McCain has Phil Gramm as his Economic advisor and he is the Senator that lobbied Congress, the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department about banking and mortgage issues in 2005 and 2006 to the detriment of the public.  McCain does not plan on getting us out of Iraq or holding diplomatic talks with Iraq and other adverse parties to try and find a way to peace.  He has no plan to help the economy besides Phil Gramm's to help the bankers.  I am an older white woman and I wrote Obama back in 2004 and begged him to run for President.  I am very glad he did and I'm glad he has run such a stand up campaign.  I admire Hillary, but prefer Obama.  I read about the "sweetie" comment Obama made.  I think that wasn't the thing to do.  I also need to stop using the word myself to both men and women.  I see how it is actually derogatory rather than a word of affection as my intent has been.  Please let's all think about the big picture.  Please think about our soldiers, our planet, the poor and the needy, our economy, our world standing and let's make a difference NOW.  We can't let McCain become President.  He doesn't have a good plan for us.

Posted By: ellis  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008

let us hope that the 77 year old exbusiness woman moves to some other country that she might understand somethin, anything, for her rant clearly shows she wants to and will believe any nasty story told her as long as it trashes her hated one. if she stays, maybe we wll be lucky and she will forget to vote.

Posted By: Michael Napolitano  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008

It is the kind of women referenced in this article who seemed to support Hillary simply for the reason that she is a woman that turned off those who ended up supporting Obama...I have not seen Obama embrace those that support him simply because of his race in the way that Hillary embraced those who were so adimant about getting a woman in the White House.  These women have contributed to the destruction of Hillary's campaign & now they're just out to do the same to Obama's.  It is so childish to have the mentality of "If I can't win then I'll make sure you don't either".  It amazes me that so many are so naive & are taking the bait from the other party to join them in defeating Hillary's "arch nemesis" Obama!  If your 1st choice doesn't get the nomination wouldn't you naturally just choose the next best option?  Can't see how, if you support Hillary your next option would be McCain.  Obviously her policies & ideas are much more in line with those of Obama, rather than McCain.  Consider if the tables were turned.  Would Hillary supporters agree with or think it made any sense for Obama supporters to vote for McCain over Hillary or another democratic nominee.

Posted By: corintonic  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008

I am a male Hispanic in his 40's from Florida and I feel beyond betrayed by my so called Democratic Party, we the voters were disenfranchised and mocked by the national media during our election in January, the people of Florida voted overwhelmingly for Hillary but the press made fun of her coming to claim victory, because we the people did not matter, it is the delegates and super delegates like Ms. Brazile, she  and the rest of her super delegates will disenfranchised voters and say that they know better than the voters, I  am changing my party affiliation because this party does not want my voice to be heard, it will be hard to vote for the other party but these are the facts, the press has been so cozy to the Obama campaign and Hillary mistakes have been amplified a million times, just the example that the Reverend Wright speeches, when Obama did his speech in PA. the press was ga-ga over it like if he was giving us the cure for cancer, when the Reverend re appear again with his hateful speech, Obama had to throw him under the bus, but not before he had done so to his grandmother and basically call her a racist in Pa. What kind of ungrateful person does that to the grandmother that raise you? And on national tv no less?



I will not vote for Obama because I think he is a very flawed man, not because the color of his skin, but I do not like to have choices showed down my throat.

Posted By: Barbara  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008

I will not vote for Obama.  I can't support a racist of any color and don't believe they will be good for our country.



I can't vote for a Republican and unless there is a good Independent candidate out there somewhere I'll not vote.



I am a Hillary supporter.  She is the very best the Democrats had to offer, one could see it in the debates and it is a shame that she has been put down.



I have an anger against the Democratic party and the New Media (CNN especially)that will not go away.  Others like to say how dirty Hillary's politics were to Obama but the News shows did Obama's dirty work for him.  It was not anything to see panels of four with each one talking about the almighty Obama and at the same time blasting Hillary with every breath (Cafferty especially). This went on the whole campaign. These people were not unbiased news reporter they were part of Obama's campaign.  She had a right to fight back.



I've got a very large family and we all thing alike.

Posted By: MK  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008

Media has amplified the "sexism" issue - but it is there and I am infuriated that gender is an acceptable prejudice. And those subtle jabs about her appearance, clothes, etc. - have we not grown up sufficiently to get past this? As a professional midlife woman who works for every bit of respect given, it illustrates how quickly our society can descend to childish stereotypes and comments - and how apparently mature and educated people will tacitly accept these. Apparently we haven't come far enough, "Baby"...

Posted By: Marjorie  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008

More than anything else I am amazed that the Democrats have adopted the strategy of the Republicans to nominate a spokesperson-fund raiser in the style of Reagan and Bush II. Obama's health care plan is deficient at best, his foreign policy, ironically, is Bill Clinton's, yet his approach to Israel mirrors Bush, his environmental program is Hillary/Gore, and his commitment to juvenile justice was his vote in the Illinois legislature not to execute people under 16. Even his "Change, yes we can" is not unique--it translates to "Si se puedes," the grito of Cesar Chavez. I prefer a president who has given to society without need of kudos or pay. In Obama's past I cannot find a single commitment to work for the benefit of any group of Americans in which he was not paid. As for the media, I see nothing that suggests they were fair [NPR was unique in this case]  in this race. Speaking of race, CNN claimed the exit polls from the West Virginia and Kentucky primaries revealed that 21% of those voting for Hillary Clinton did so for reasons of race. As the many pundits espoused great shock at this obvious racism, and David Gergin called for Clinton to reject those votes, nothing was said about the 90% of the African American population that voted for Obama. Both are acts of racism and expose how far we have not come, but Hillary Clinton has certainly worked harder and longer for racial and gender equality than Obama has almost lived.



This race for me had nothing to do with race or gender--it was all about the best candidate with the credentials in foreign policy, with experience and bruises from a health care commitment that would have helped all of us, with one that had the knowledge and ability to deal with the Arab/Israeli conflict, and one that would have surely have brought much more change than someone who used it as an empty claim.



Am I bitter and do I think this is an issue of gender and ageism, yes. The generation that failed to vote in 2000, 2004 because "the candidates did not excite them," who brought us reality TV, also appears to find comfort in what Joseph Biden was chastised for calling "an articulate" speaker. No matter how much effort Obama puts into taking off his jacket to emulate Bobby Kennedy or Michelle embraces Jacqueline Kennedy fashions they are nothing more than veneers of real volunteers and who will do little more than sustain the status quo first established by Ronald Reagan. I will consider writing in a candidate I consider respectful of the office of President who has a commitment to community service.

Posted By: Ron  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008

I am so proud of all the Americans that had to courage to vote for a black person for president man or woman.  Hillary is old news and more of the same in Washington. Now let's hope Mr Obama has the courage to ignore the calls for Hillary as a running mate

Posted By: BJ  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008

Hitler was charming in the beginning.  He wanted to "change" Germany.  He wanted to improve society.  The masses applauded and cheered and wanted a "change they could believe in".  He was a brilliant, appealing, and frustrated person waiting to explode.  Be sure the mind you use is your own!

Posted By: Sara  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008

Hillary Clinton is clearly better qualified for the presidency than Barak Obama, whose slim resume is supported only by his ego. Racism has benefitted Obama overall; mysogeny has hurt Clinton. I was amazed at the stupidity of the American people when they elected Bush--twice! And I now see that nothing has changed. Most people see only the superficial aspects of a candidate; they do not study the past records of the people they vote for, and they are swayed by words and slogans, not actions and accomplishments. I guess they deserve what they get as a result. One more point: when Obama's followers were convinced early on that he would win the popular vote, but feared that Clinton might have more delegates/superdelegates, they constantly chattered about how the delegates/superdelegates must vote for the candidate who won the popular vote--and even threatened that there would be "trouble" if they didn't. Now that Clinton has in fact won the popular vote, we don't hear a peep out of these Obamaites who were so concerned about the popular vote being honored. I very much hope that Clinton will not accept any position in Obama's administration--he should sink or swim on his own. I will not vote for Obama; I will either write in Clinton's name or not vote.

Posted By: We are the un-left  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008

This campaign has brought out a lot of nastiness, hard feelings, "online malice," and actual expressions of racism AND sexism from the enlightened left... and all glued together by a healthy dose of liberal self-righteousness -- and y'all are outraged?



Welcome to OUR world, people. We've been protesting those tactics since 1992, for all the good it's done. Now YOU guys know how it feels to be on the receiving end. (I'm especially amused by the charges of media bias -- which, according to the left, didn't exist when Bill was running. Yet another example of pot and kettle.)



And the killer thing about it is thaty'all will not hesitate to cheerfully use EXACTLY the same tactics against McCain -- and never mind the hypocrisy.



Exit question: What's with Barbara? "I will not vote for Obama. I can't support a racist of any color and don't believe they will be good for our country."  So... Obama's a racist?!

Posted By: Rick Garner  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008

THANK YOU!

I very much enjoyed this article.  I am a white, middle class, college educated male who has changed from leaning toward Obama to being a solid Hillary supporter.  I'll fall in line behind Obama, assuming that he will have the nomination, but I'll do so somewhat reluctantly.  I'm completely disgusted by the amount of Clinton bashing (both Bill and Hillary) that we've seen in recent months.  It disgusts me the way that Obama has shown disrespect to Clinton's term of presidency.  I only hope that he can do half as good a job as Bill did.  I've had to stop watching my favorite liberal leaning news shows, because lately they don't seem to want to do anything but bash Hillary.  Why do we Democrats always have such fun tearing each other apart?  That's why the Republicans have been dominating us in recent years, they fall in line to support their candidates while we do nothing but critize each other.

Posted By: Karen  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008

Oh, calm down.  Has anyone stopped to realize that we have a great percentage of the population in our wonderful country that is just plain stupid?  Who believe EVERYTHING they hear from their neighbors or hear (heaven forbid) on Fox TV?  Some people actually believe Obama is a Muslim!  And for those Democratic, silver-haired women (and a bunch of others who haven't piped up yet) who say they'll vote for McCain rather than Obama because Hillary didn't win enough support, well, count them in the stupid category...it doesn't matter if they're high school drop-outs or graduates of Yale.

Posted By: Eileen  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008

What is the matter with all you people?   Barack Obama inspires people.  R u going to cut off you nose to spites yourface because he will be the candidate?  There were rules & if we don't like them change them for the next time;  but because you come out on the short end you want to change the rules?  

Maybe Hillary was poorly advised during her campaign.  Her spouse certainly didn't help her.  Infact, he may have been a  hindrance.

I'm in my eight decade & am looking forward to a new voice.

Posted By: Peggy  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008

"So--Obama's a racist?"  We are the Un-Left



Why do you ask? Is it impossible for Senator Obama to be a racist simply because he is black?  I would suggest that there is evidence to support a conclusion that he IS a racist.  I have not concluded that he is, but the evidence is there.  



The problem I have with Senator Obama is that he is a sophist.

Posted By: Moose  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008

While there may well be sexism involved in Hillary's defeat, let's please cut to the core here:  Do you really want to see 4 or 8 more years of GW's horrible policies?  That is clearly what Mr. McCain will bring to the White House - heaven forbid!  I don't care what "evil" may have been dealt to Hillary (and I voted for Hillary by the way), that is absolutely no excuse to change sides and vote for McCain!!  What utter nonsense people, wake up and grow up!  Don't throw away our chance to shift the course of our great nation.  We need all Democrats, Independents and many more to defeat McCain, so let's get on with the business of electing Mr. Obama, who is almost a carbon copy of Hillary in terms of policies. Yes, his "plumbing" is different, but so what?  Hillary ran a good campaign & paved the way for the next attempt.  Let's quick bickering and win this coming election for the people!!  There is no better way to honor Hillary than to elect Obama.

Posted By: Mrose  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008

Both Hillary and Barack are very capable of running this country.  Hillary does have more experience, but I think if Barack surrounds himself with a good administration (as Bill Clinton did) then there is hope for this country.  Barack's religious affiliation kind of worries me.  They were some strange dudes. Not that I believed any word they spoke, it just makes you wonder what inspired Barack to congregate with these poeple.  



Anyway, I am a 40 year old woman who voted for Hillary,(changed to Democrat just to do so, and will be changing back to Independant) and will be voting for Obama.  



This country does not need another four years of the same administration.  Both administrations have strong leadership qualities that we can benefit from, however to much of a good thing is never good.



We need to vote for a Democrat...

Posted By: Marian  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008

To those Democrats who choose to either change party, vote for McCain to spite the Democrats who voted for Obama, or have decided to just not vote  YOU are the reason Republicans always seem to win.  If you don't seperate your emotions from you God given common sense we will continue to lose elections and very soon, the America we used to cherish for it's values and generosity. You are the reason the Democratic Party will once again Snatch defeat from the jaws of victory!  By the way, I voted for Hilary in the primaries and if she does not get the Democratic Nomination, I will vote for Obama in the National Elections.  I want MY America back!

Posted By: Mary Lee  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008

I have been all over the online blogs and the HIllary supporters get very nasty with anyone that says anything nice about Obama. Obama has never once insulted Hillary and he has been extremely praising of her in the past month. Unfortunately, Hillary keeps being combative, which is making her supporters combative. The facts are that he has far passed the point of delegates needed to clinch the nomination. Hillary and her supporters are not recognizing this fact. The party needs to Unite and stop this bickering. Obama and Hillary supporters all have MUCH more in common, then they do with McCain. I hope they will come to this realization. If not, then we will remain in a debilitating war we cannot win, most likely go into a new war with Iran also, credit card companies, pharmacy companies, insurance companies and banks will keep sticking it to us, gas prices will keep rising, the rich will get richer and the poor will keep getting poorer. If a HIllary supporter will vote for this out of spite, then they were never really a Hillary supporter, as I am sure she would never support this, unless it is more about HER being president, instead of what will be best for the country. If she really cares about her country, she will support Obama fully. If you care about your country, you should support policy and not a person. This is so much bigger than any person. Female or black man!

Posted By: Tony  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008

I just find it amazing how much Operation Chaos has been able to effect this Primary season.  I used to think Rush was just kidding, or that his followers were just simple people voted with their conscience.  Now I see that he (Rush) has not only help divide the Democrat Party, he may actually help Mr. McCain win in a year I dreaded that the Democrats should have been able to win easily.  Oh well, Mrs. Clinton can always run in 2012 against President McCain.

Posted By: granny c.  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008

I too am a white-haired female Hillary supporter, disappointed, but determined to rid our country of the dreadful Bush administration and all that connotes -- unheard of deficit, over 5 years of "war" against a country we had no right to invade in the first place, raping and pillaging the environment for the benefit of big-money supporters in the oil, coal and timber industries, lack of support for veterans, etc., etc.  Obama certainly hasn't been my candidate of choice, but I will do everything I can to support him and prevent "George Bush's 3rd term" with McCain.  By the way, I thought both Hillary and Obama gave excellent speeches Tues. night, and applauded both of them.  But I think Obama should look beyond Wash., DC, for his V.P. selection - perhaps the (female) Gov. of Kansas or Arizona?  

Posted By: Wolfgang  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008

These comments just reinforce the stereotype of the bitter, ageing feminist.  Your candidate lost because (a) she ran a mediocre campaign; (b) she was overconfident; (c) her attitude (and that of her hard-core supporters) was that she was ENTITLED to the top of the ticket (and, by implication, ENTITLED to be POTUS) - an attitude that turned off MANY people; and (d) enough people saw the end-run Slick Willy was trying to pull around theconstitutional prohibition of more than two terms for a president - Hillary would be his "frontman" while he "advised" her.  On top of which the campaign revealed to all what many previously said - she's simply an unpleasant, manipulative, I'll-say-whatever-is-necessary politician.



If you woman are so emotionally insecure that you see sexism behind every corner, go seek some counseling.  Hillary Clinton got too many passes on her background and shennanigans from the media during this campaign - passes that no male would have received.  What sticks in your craw is that you couldn't intimidate and buffalo a majority of the voters into giving you your way.  Your candidate wanted to compete - but only if the rules could be changed every time she came out second best.  Typical Boomer feminist idea of "competition" - the deck always has to be stacked so you get the guaranteed result.  You see in hillary the job you didn't get because of your "better education" - aw, poor babies.  I know too many men who had their careers shortchanged to provide "equal opportunity" for your kind - and then after two or three years, you quit because the you don't like the competition, you don't want to give the necessary hours, you want a family, ad nauseum.



Go ahead - vote Republican.  Throw your adolescent hissy fit.  Obama will win because far, far more people will vote their pocketbooks - and the more the economy keeps tanking, gas prices go up, people get laid off, and more money flows into corporate coffers and funds the country club set, the bigger the Obama victory will be in November.  And guess what - you won't have a seat at the victory table.

Posted By: Peggy  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008

Oh, Wolfgang.  You're so silly.



You repeat stereotypes that have no support in any cited statistic. "Typical Boomer" indeed.  You sound like a typical reactionary.  You quote the popular Obamaisms as if they had a basis in reality.  If, as you suggest, Senator Clinton: ran a mediocre campaign, was over-confident, had a sense of entitlement, and was only a front for her husband, AND Senator Obama only beat her by 450,000 votes nationwide how will he fare against a Republican who has none of those alleged handicaps, and who will have the forces that put John Kerry in the dirt behind him.  Do you think images of Rev. Wright are going away?



As usual, you males think that throwing your weight around, calling names, and making silly threats (a seat at the victory table, indeed) is the same as reasoned discourse.

Posted By: qmob  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008

I fail to understand the venom with which some have expressed their dissatisfaction regarding recent events.  Mr. Obama outperformed Mrs. Clinton and was able to gain the necessary delegates to secure the nomination of his party.  Nothing underhanded occurred.  FL and MI didn't matter, and ironically, would have had much more clout had they not broken the rules in the first place.  Learn this: sometimes, magnificent leadership DOES NOT REQUIRE EXPERIENCE.  If you doubt this, read a biography of Abraham Lincoln.  Mrs. Clinton is an extradorinary woman with exceptional ability and, unfortunately, a lot of baggage that some people would rather not revisit.  To intelligent people, gender and race matter not a whit, and disregarding these factors, Mr. Obama is clearly more inspiring and represents true change.  He doesn't have nearly the time in Washington as Mrs. Clinton, nor her political experience; that's A GOOD THING and EXACTLY what is needed now.  Some here are going to vote for McCain just because Mrs. Clinton did not secure her party's nomination?  Really?  Now that's TRUE idiocy on par with those who voted for Bush twice.  Wake up, shake it off, and help Mr. Obama defeat John McCain for the good of our nation and indeed, the world.    

Posted By: Wolfgang  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008

Oh, Peggy.  You are so patronizing.



Typical feminist smugness.  I'll give you credit - you at least tried the old high school debater's trick - you tried to attack me rather than dealing directly with the argument.  But even there you fail - the ploy didn't work back in high school and it doesn't now.  And, if Hillary were in the military, given how she ran her campaign, she'd be coming home now to be assigned to a nice, safe training assignent prepatory to retirement.



Obama will fare very well against Senator McCain.  The tanking economy, ever-increasing gas prices and continuing casualties in Iraq will do a lot of the heavy lifting.  He's already survived the attempt to make Reverend Wright into a scandal - and he's still standing.  And it won't be with Hillary on the ticket - he owes her (and her aging feminist brigade) nothing - but he'll do it with style and grace (something hillary and her followers could learn).  Ta ta.

Posted By: Doris Parker  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008

I am not a person that is against Obama because of his race or anything like that. I was always taught don't judge a person by their color but by the content of their character. (I voted for Hillary in the Primary) in Texas. The Democratic Party decided that the people of Florida and Michigan did not have the "right" to vote and have their votes counted. Then Obama was so "nice" to tell the Democratic Rules Commission to give only half votes ( so it would give him a big boost but I guess they didn't know women can count or have a brain to figure this one out)and he got votes that he didn't win. This to me seems unconstitutional and not very honorable.

I hope Hillary either takes it to the "floor" or waits until 2012 to run agan. I am joining the women that take this kind of thing as a direct slap to all women and therefore I am voting as a protest vote in Nov. for John McCain. At a time like this principal must rule over Party. If the Party thinks that voters have no rights then it won't be long before we have no country to have a say in about anything. I am curious to see if women are important or not come Nov.

Posted By: Peggy  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008

Oh, Wolfie, thank you for the compliment!



I hope you're right.  I do.  The thought of four more years of the current administration's policies is horrifying.  



I am informed by where I live, and it is my opinion that Senator Obama cannot win.  And, as you will recall, John Kerry's military record was questioned during the primaries, but it was only when the general election campaign was underway that the smear campaign began.



Hey, if you're right: you can have my dessert at the victory table (since I won't be there).

Posted By: Doris Parker  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008

I guess I should have read all these "nice" things  that have been said about us women here and how we are using our gender as some kind of non-sensical reason for what we do on our voting in Nov. before I put my opinion before. Especially,  I get the message from most of the men loud and clear! We need to go back to the kitchen and other "parts" of the house and forget about it, right, and vote for a party that figured the voters didn't have any rights, right? I read some of these to my husband and I thank God (but maybe I'm no longer allowed to say that either), I Married  a man like him that understands that women are important and that an injustice has been done . This is not about who we voted for or who we will vote for in Nov. This is about if we are going to allow a few men and women that make up a few rules for all Americans  going to decide who is chosen as the President of this great country, of which I for one have ALWAYS been proud to live in, has a right to vote and have their votes counted!! When we no longer have this right and we decide we want "change" we may just get another Hitler . Fancy speeches and words that sound good doesn't make the person any more than how one dresses determine who is the richest or most intellegant in the growd!

Principal must win out and if it means four more years of what we have now then that is a small price to pay than to give away the rights of the American people to speak when they vote!!!

Posted By: Jim Green  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008

I have never fully supported the feminist movement especially when you consider the tactics used such asl  men bashing on prime time tv and commercials.  However, I can not help but agree with feminists and women overall concerning there anger about Senator Clinton.  This is clearly an example of an good ol boy tactic taking one of their own boy's and placing him on the fast track to the nomination.  Senator Clinton was clearly cheated out of her nomination.

Posted By: Dave Anderson  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008

This is such bullshit...  you're all republickin plants.  



Any woman that votes for McCain is voting against her gender.      

Posted By: qmob  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008

"Hitler was charming in the beginning." - BJ



"When we no longer have this right and we decide we want "change" we may just get another Hitler." - Doris Parker



I cannot BELIEVE people here are comparing senator Obama to Adolf Hitler!  People, really, step back and take a deep, deep breath and count to ten before you write hateful slime like that.  SHAME!  

Posted By: Barbara C  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008

Not having a horse in this race, I can see why women are upset.  I've read some things the Obama campaign did to her supporters and the tactics they used to get the delegates from her.

I could not vote for him, because he's so far left he almost knocks George Soros down!  He will usher in Socialism, with his UN bill that will allow the UN to tax us!

I would also like to know who voted for McCain, Conservatives did not want him.

So, I will be voting 3rd Party this year...I no longer have loyalty to a certain Party, it's all issues with me.

Posted By: Doris Parker  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008

I didn't know I used Obama's name when I said Hitler but you feel the rock hits those are your words and not mine. I am an Independant and I have always voted for the person that I feel would be the best person  for our country. I used the word Hitler because the people of Germany said  "we want change, give us man or the Devil and we will take either one". Maybe you need to go study a little History and learn a little before you start saying people are saying things they aren't  please. I am not voting against my gender it wouldn't matter if it was a woman, man , black, Indian or "dotted purple and green"  or whatever that was running for the other party in this case it is the PRINCIPAL of the thing that ALL PEOPLE"S VOTES should be counted. It will be a protest vote against the few Democrats that changed the Rules on the American Voters. I cannot believe the ugly words that some of you have used just because someone disagrees with you. That is your right but the rest of Americans have a right as well and that is some of us that believe in the rights of All Americans and not just those who want to shut us up by calling us names and saying we do not count! By the way gmob is that your real name or are you afraid to use your real one? Have a nice day! I will no longer post a comment here!!!

Posted By: Trudy  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008

I am a 58-yr-old granny who lived through the civil rights era of the '60's and the rise of feminism in the 70's and all these whining women who are determined to cut off their noses to spite their own faces make me want to throw up!  WHAT in God's name has any republican ever done to advance the rights of women yet you would vote for another one because you are in huff about Hillary losing because she ran a bad campaign?  GIVE ME A BREAK!



I started out supporting Hillary and I saw her when she visited in S.C.  I was very impressed with her knowledge but when my young granddaughter had a chance to get a photo with her, Hillary was not at all personable so I got a very mixed feeling about her at that time.  In the end, I voted for Obama because he has something that few have and that is the ability to INSPIRE!



In my opinion, Hillary has damaged herself by calling attention to her gender.  The simple fact is that she ran a poorly planned campaign and relied too much on Bill's star power in the beginning.  Those are the reasons she tanked.  It had nothing to do with being female.  Had she been shrewd, she would have fought hard and not relied on either being the first female or Bill's spouse so that she could have shared the ticket.  As it is, I don't see how or why Obama would even consider her for his VP.          

Posted By: RoughAcres  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008

I have been a woman for narly 58 years now, and can confirm that gender is a defining factor in pay, promotion, politics, and anything else one could name.



For those women who are threatening to vote for McCain rather than Obama, I have only one word: c*nt. That's what the Senator from Arizona called his wife, in public, in front of three witnesses, a fact that is well documented (though little known).



And you're up in arms over "sweetie"????

Posted By: Sib in Texas  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008

Gmob, YOU should be ashamed of yourself and you owe Doris Parker an apology. Re-read what she said. Bloody obvious Doris was not calling anyone Hitler, Obama or otherwise...



She was saying that when you give up your rights, and let a small group make the decisions for everyone, that's when you have someone like Hitler come to power. That's true - authoritarianism can only thrive when the vast majority give up their right to decision-making. Doesn't matter whether you're talking Castro's Cuba or 1930s Germany. I have family who lived through the latter; friends who lived through the former, and it's delusional to assert blindly "it can't happen here".



She did not explicitly call any candidate in this race a future Hitler. She's saying that when you have a buttload of people slagging off Hillary Clinton and her supporters *because* they're women ... it's a slippery slope to start limiting other people's rights and marginalizing what they have to say. Exactly how is this not tantamount to racism? Or the kind of incendiary propaganda under Bush - "you're either with us or against us"?



Believe me, Obama supporters - those of you who have railed against Clinton based on gender or age - you'll have the shoe on the other foot soon enough, and if you're smart you'll realize how ultimately foolish this kind of warfare for your candidate has been. I have friends I love who support Obama in respectful ways, and they're a lot more pragmatic about his chances, because they haven't drunk the Kool-Aid.



Personally, it's a toss up for me - I think Obama, McCain and Clinton all have strengths and weaknesses. It's just a matter of what I decide this November is most important -- and as a moderate, I'm much more representative of the average American voter, especially in swing states, than many Democrats want to believe. Some Obama voters just don't get it - the Republicans are better organized, and they're better at staying on message. They're more articulate. Obama may sway your emotions, your passion, but you've got to have a lot more to beat McCain. Many of us respect him from his "maverick" days - though I have doubts about his record for veterans and his deciding vote re habeus corpus and torture.



I think most folks here are true to American form: short memories. Didn't we anoint John Kerry prematurely, instead of either Edwards or Clark, two guys who would have had a real shot at the presidency and appealing to a broad electorate? Didn't we trick ourselves into saying how wonderful Kerry was, how "electable" he was? Weren't we disappointed that his appeal was not as broad as we wanted to believe? Just wait until Clinton drops out. Then you'll see the long knives.



PS - Jim Green - check out Ariel Levy's book "Female Chauvinist Pigs". And there are many of us who are self-proclaimed feminists, believing in equal rights, who are just as horrified by commercials and media that demonize and insult men. I think there are certainly things in life that are unfair to men - i.e. men told they can't have feelings and still be "manly," which is BS, men eligible for a draft, viewed as more expendable in war, etc. Still, what people like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity want to represent as average "feminism" is often out in far left field - i.e. Andrea Dworkin.

Posted By: Jennifer Lackey  on Thursday, June 05, 2008

I agree that women are discrimminated against daily. It's funny how racism gets so much attention in the media and gender discrimmination is ignored as only in a woman's head. Funny how the people that make that decision seem to be of the male gender. It happened on national television in front of millions of people, and it was barely even mentioned. Women are spoken to this way so much that it is considered normal by most males I know. They don't even begin to get it. The ones screaming racism usually are guilty of the same thing with women, but that doesn't count because most males do it and it's normal. NOT NORMAL, WAKE UP AMERICA!

Posted By: Wayne Potrafka  on Thursday, June 05, 2008

Any person who votes for McCain because they are angry that Hillary did not get the nomination deserves what they get.  If the "mature" white women in mass vote for McCain because of this, the makeup of the new Supreme Court, the loss of the Senate and the House to an INCREASINGLY conservative Republican party will in on them. I am an Obama supporter. I am not a Hillary hater, never have been and don't intend to become one in the near future. I would dearly love to see a woman president in my lifetime.  The first Democratic primary vote that I cast all to many years ago was for Shirley Chisholm, an African American female congressperson from NY. I am also a political science major, a political and issue junkie, and real good at projecting political outcomes.  I could not pragmatically come up with a scenario in which Hillary is elected, even in a year as Democratic leaning as this one should be. The fact that she is the only person in America who could actually unite and ignite the Republican vote would have had huge ramifications from the top to the bottom of any ticket in any closely contested state.

Hillary is who she is, and she has much to contribute.  Is there sexism in today's society........of course.  Just as there is racism, and religious discrimination.  The discriminative abuse against certain groups in still a popular vote getting tool, such as against the gay population.  I am significantly overweight. If you are not, you would be shocked at the amount of open hostility expressed against us fat folks. Yet we have women, minorities, candidates of varying faiths, gays, and yes even a few fat folks getting elected through out the country. We have  any number of young dynamic women governors, senators, and US representatives who would make fine candidates in the not distant future. Putting ALL else aside, it would do a lot more for the cause of women if the first elected female president of the USA was someone who did not make their name and reputation as the wife of a famous politician, but rather someone who has made it totally on their own.

It is my hope that the women expressing the McCain sentiment will come to their senses. This is not a time to teach ANYONE a lesson with our vote. It is a time for us to literally save our country, and Obama is the choice to lead that charge. I implore you to contemplate the results of a vote decided by anger, and to cast that vote for a better and safer future for those who follow.  thanks for listening

Posted By: valntino  on Thursday, June 05, 2008

Yap, Yap, Yap. The source of the problem lies in the democratic party's inane and questionable attempt to make every gender, race, creed, ethnicity, district, philosophy, age group, and religion feel good about themselves,  and make "every vote count". Had they run their primary like the Republicans did and let the simple good old American concept of "majority rules"be its guide, Hillary would have had the nomination long ago. Now, almost everyone has something to feel slighted about. What macaroons!

Posted By: Tony  on Thursday, June 05, 2008

I am always amazed on how everyone wants to save this country.  What are we saving this country from?  If this country elects Barack Hussein Obama, then this country is going to need saving.  I can see it now, gas lines once again, he goes on tv for a fireside chat wearing a sweater telling us we need to wear layers when we are in our homes, ration books telling us how much we can consume.  He is going to beat Carter in the Misery index.  Oh, I can't wait!!!!!

Posted By: Rodger nielsen  on Thursday, June 05, 2008

Main points against Obama and Hillary- we are in a war situation, niether seems to be qualified to lead military efforts. Ecomony complaints from Dems overlook the combat causes of poor ecomomy. First concern is war and security, the economy is not that bad yet- minimal growth but still growth unlike depression talk from Dems. Tax rates low enough for people to create jobs, enough money coming in to cover most needed services--but not the government pork projects. Obama after more tax money and government projects will probably hurt economy. RN

Posted By: Dauric  on Thursday, June 05, 2008

Wartime leadership qualifications...

Well we know that GW Bush didn't have it, he started wars in two nations without plans to finish either and the plans he and his administration did have flew in the face of experts that told them differently.

McCain has repeatedly confused the nations, organizations, and individuals involved in the Middle East drama, as well as who is connected to who and what behavior, while speaking in public.

Hillary landed under sniper fire. Nuff said. while(horse==DEAD){beat()}

Obama has all but no record at all.

At this point "No Record" may be the best qualification of all.

$0.02

Posted By: James Elmore  on Thursday, June 05, 2008

This was sent to me by a friend. I could not as a man believe that when a woman voices their opinion that "people" would become verbally abusive to them like this. I have probably been guilty of "talking" about them in the past in ways that I shouldn't have and I wish to ask all women for them to forgive me of my ignorance in the past. I can see from the reading of these articles that some of these women are very smart. They have hit the "nail" on the head of what is wrong with our country. The ones by Doris  are the best ones here. She is right if we allow just a few men and women to make our decisions for us then we deserve to lose our rights in this country. I was a supporter for Mr. Obama until I "found" out who his "friends" are. A raving man that calls himself a Rev. teaching hate from the pulpit and Mr. Obama listened, along with his family for almost 20 years is not the kind of man I feel we need for the office of this country called America the Great. I do not care much for the Clinton's but I had come to the belief that she would be better for the office but since I as a Male believe that the election has been "stollen" from her by her own Party I for one will join the "angry" women as so many of you call them and vote for the only one that is at least half-way good for this country, Mr. John McCain. I only hope our Party wakes up and realizes that they cannot win by cheating the American voters of their votes like this. It is time to put Party behind us and stand up for our country. I would ask all "REAL MEN" to stand up and let women know that they are Americans and have a right to express their opinions without being subjected to verbal abuse and as for some of you women be a Lady and don't use ugly language as then you have moved to the same "gutter" as these so called Men here. Now bring it on, I'm a man and I can take it!

Posted By: Dauric  on Thursday, June 05, 2008

Everyone that's been harping on how Hillary's been treated badly by the media please read  "Reality vs. The Mythmakers" by David Broder  here on this very site.

It's one thing to be emotional about it, but the proof is in the evidence. You want to argue it? That's fine, back it up with something more than outrage.

$0.02

Posted By: mini  on Thursday, June 05, 2008

you white women have never been reliable, you have always stood against people of color in favor of your entitlement, maybe slavery would have ended sooner had white women took a stand for justice.  you will not even try to be open minded and give Obama chance. you would rather vote for mccain? what about loyality to your party??  it is a sad day when you can help change the world to be more equal, but you refuse because you want to hold on to the status "racist" quo.

Posted By: Coy Parker  on Thursday, June 05, 2008

This will be a first for me but I could no longer sit by and not jump into this one after "mini's" attack on white women. When my wife, Doris posted her opinion here she was only trying to point out when we all as a American people allow a small number of people to take away the two states right to their vote and split it like they did they have taken the first step to taking away the right of those voters in their say as to who they feel should represent their party. When the Party decides that they are no longer going to allow the voters to speak then all Americans have to speak up and it looks like the only way to do that is to "vote" against the Party if they allow this to stand. Since you do not know my wife let me tell you a few things about her. We were the first to speak out against blacks not be allowed to go to the college where I was a student. The blacks after that were allowed to enroll. We have many black friends that agree with us that we cannot allow a few people to decide for all of us. My wife has always fought for the rights of all Americans and not least of all I myself have black blood flowing through my veins. Be careful of what you start by this kind of insult as this is an offense to all Americans. I have voted in the past for many  Democrats as I am a Democrat but this time I agree with my wife and others that this is beyond a Party and is about the American's rights no matter what color you are. This name calling will only divide the races once again. If not for the white race under Abe. Lincoln blacks may still have been slaves. Stop and think about that!! My wife has always stood up for blacks and all other races but after this I wouldn't blame her if she never spoke up for their rights again!! I may have voted for Mr. Obama but after this I will be joining the women and men that think our country and the people's right for their votes to count. So as much as I regret it I will have to vote against my Party this time and vote for Mr. McCain. It is a sad day for me to have to do this but I can not stand by and not speak up on this one. Mr. Obama's people have turned this into a race war it seems like and it shoud never have been white vs black. I just hope you people have not set us back another 50 years. I wish to thank those that have the wisdom to understand what my wife was trying to say what it was all about. It is nice to know we still have some men and women that are using their brains and have understanding! I pray that my Party wakes up and corrects the mistake made before the November Election.  

Posted By: BJ  on Thursday, June 05, 2008

Doris speaks/writes better than I do.  I made a reference to Hitler before she did, but she explained it better.  Here was my earlier statement:



Posted By: BJ  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008



Hitler was charming in the beginning.  He wanted to "change" Germany.  He wanted to improve society.  The masses applauded and cheered and wanted a "change they could believe in".  He was a brilliant, appealing, and frustrated person waiting to explode.  Be sure the mind you use is your own!

Posted By: BJ  on Thursday, June 05, 2008

Doris speaks/writes better than I do.  I made a reference to Hitler before she did, but she explained it better.  Here was my earlier statement:



Posted By: BJ  on Wednesday, June 04, 2008



Hitler was charming in the beginning.  He wanted to "change" Germany.  He wanted to improve society.  The masses applauded and cheered and wanted a "change they could believe in".  He was a brilliant, appealing, and frustrated person waiting to explode.  Be sure the mind you use is your own!

Posted By: Jim Green  on Thursday, June 05, 2008

SIB in Texas- Thanks for your post and reminding me that I shouldn't condemm everyone by association.  I will check out that book!

Posted By: Ron  on Tuesday, June 10, 2008

I was not in favor of either Hillary or Obama at the beginning of this insufferably long primary season. My preference was for Joe Biden or John Edwards. When it became clear that it was a contest between Hillary and Obama, I decided to support Obama. It had nothing to do with Hillary being a woman. I have had women bosses with no problem, and I would have voted for Hillary if she had become the Democratic candidate. I still feel that way. Her sex had nothing to do with my choosing Obama.

Why did I choose Obama? Hillary brought a lot of baggage with her. The shoddy scandal her husband was involved with, for one thing. There are many people in this country who will not vote for a Clinton because of Bill's womanizing. Secondly, there was her failed attempt to get universal health coverage. True, there were many enemies, but she really didn't do things the way she should have. Thirdly, my preference for Obama became stronger as I watched Hillary campaign. She lied about things, and   she pretended to be someone she wasn't. It often seemed she would say anything to become the candidate of her party. This turned me off. Never, at any time, did it bother me that she was a woman. I think a woman is entirely capable of being our chief executive. My God, no woman could be as bad as George W. Bush has been for our country!  So, to hear women say they'll vote for a continuation of Bush's disastrous policies by voting for John McCain, I can only conclude that spite trumps reason in such a decision. For shame! Vote for continuing the war in Iraq and giving huge tax breaks to the wealthiest 5 percent of our population? You would do that because the woman you supported (seemingly only because she was a woman) did not get the nod of the party? How utterly childish and vindictive can you be? I preferred Obama, but I would have held my nose and voted for Hillary a thousand times more than I would vote for Bush-Clone John McCain, who seems to think he's entitled to be president solely because he was a prisoner-of-war in North Vietnam. For shame! Where was the female candidate in the Republican party? Or the black or Hispanic? No, they nominated, and you will vote for, an old white guy (I'm an old white guy myself)who will draw many votes to himself just because he's white. And I don't think an Obama-Clinton candidacy is a "dream ticket." Hillary just has too much bad baggage, and you can blame her and her philandering husband for that, not Barack Obama or her gender.