Posted By: JD Morgan on Friday, November 28, 2008
Wow, what a complete echo of religous points used by fundamentalist churches to oppress black people decades ago. I still remain amazed that so many people must have slept through the chapters on civil rights in their American Government and US History classes in high school. Democracy exists to protect the minority against the will of the majority. Of course the perverted homosexuals aren't officially considered a monority by very many people.
Posted By: jack sprat on Friday, November 28, 2008
"Democracy exists to protect the minority against the will of the majority."Odd, I thought we established our country so that the majority wasn't ruled by the King and his minority setting taxation without a fair representation of the majority it was levied against. I guess we didn't have the "right" history books.
Posted By: dEd Grimley on Friday, November 28, 2008
Actually, Democracy exists to ensure the majority gets what they want. It's a Democratic Republic that you're talking about. Something we forget whenever it's convenient, either erring on the side of Democracy or that of a Republic.
Posted By: Seriously Seriously on Sunday, November 30, 2008
The mormons have a bad history of fundemental beliefs. Poligamy, starting with Joe Smith impregnating 2 young girls of 15 and 13 who were house servants of his wife, Emma. Impregnating one of them and crying "God told me to do it, and now they must be my wives too". White supremacy, with not allowing blacks membership, gender supremacy by males, and still homosexuality as a sin. They have no moral values worth listening to. May no mormon ever be made President of the USA.
Posted By: Travis on Sunday, November 30, 2008
This is quite possibly the biggest piece of right wing garbage that I have read recently and that says a lot! Your main point is that "our freedom to believe is at hazard". No it isn't! You can believe that gays marrying is wrong. No one is stopping you. It is taking it a step further and denying others the same rights that you enjoy that is at issue. It is wrong, wrong, wrong! Quit trying to force your fundamentalist views on to others. They aren't hurting you in any way, shape or form by getting married and I'm tired of hearing that they are! Little government lesson here ----> Just because the majority of Americans vote for something doesn't mean that it is Constitutional. The majority of Americans can vote that all fat people should be put to death but that doesn't make it right! Our laws are set up to protect the rights of the minority. No one is afraid that popular opinion is going to be oppressed or sensored. I hope the supreme court overturns this exclusionary and hateful legislation once and for all!
Posted By: Paul on Sunday, November 30, 2008
read the final word on the subject here: http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,161-1-11-1,00.html
Posted By: KenBJs on Sunday, November 30, 2008
Gee, Kathryn, how 'bout We The (white) People pass some amendments RE-declaring how all people of color, LOPEZes included, are INFERIOR to White, Northern Europeans, and therefore cannot:1) vote or hold any public office2) marry3) own property4) express any opinions or challenge the 'WHITE State?'Would that be CONSTITUTIONAL with you, Kathryn LOPEZ?Now, why don't you take your threatened, 'Christian' beliefs, pack your bags, and move to some pseudo-fascist 'banana republic' in Latin America where the good ol' (child molesting!) Roman Catholic Church holds sway over everyones 'public' life?I could get even more hateful, and personal, but why bother.... Oh, heck, why not!Has anybody EVER noticed that these so-called 'Christians' who are THREATENED by gays and same-sex marriage are just about always, if not ALWAYS, the UGLIEST people you've ever seen? People who you could never imagine having MARRIED, heterosexual sex much less any sex whatsoever -- people like Kathryn above.Ms. Lopez, you're as ugly on the OUTSIDE as you are UGLY ON THE INSIDE.
Posted By: Jose on Monday, December 01, 2008
Oh boy; well, you don't have to be extreme or anything else to see the blatant hate involved in those who are so eager to promote their own supposed "liberties," while name-calling and defaming anyone who might have a legitimate argument against them. Prop. 8 was an example of democracy at work...one which thankfully was allowed to happen, unlike in Mass., where I am from, whose state legislature decided that democracy shouldn't be allowed to take its course there (when they voted to NOT allow a pro-heterosexual marriage definition to be put to a vote by the good people of Mass.). Why weren't the liberals and other "activists" screaming bloody murder over that act of tyrannical and unjust oligarchy? Because it ruled in their favor. Period.Oh, and in my defense, I AM a Mormon, by the way, and all the Mormons I know are actually pretty smokin' hot...I don't know what rock you've been living under for your entire life Ken, but you might want to think before you spout out idiotic rhetorical filth on those whom you do not know. You judge others ignorantly...and you only make yourself look the more foolish. Good job! At least you give the rest of us "ugly people" a laugh with your complete stupidity...hahahaha...
Posted By: Seth on Monday, December 01, 2008
I wish that people would undersatad that reguardless of how much the "mormons" donated to prop. 8, be it 70% or 100%, "mormons" only account for about 2% of the calafornian population. If your looking for someone to blame (or congradulate) for the passing of prop.8, start looking at ALL californian voters, not just the mormons.
Oh, by the way, CONGRADULATIONS california!!!!!!!!
Posted By: CA resident on Monday, December 01, 2008
I wish I can get back the 10 minutes of my life after having read this garbage and biased view from this blogger. I think people have more respect for Scientology than for the Mormons and that is saying a lot. Any so called faith based on polygamy and rape is doomed to burn in hell. To: all the biased Mormons: put on your sunscreen because you are all going to fry.It won't be long before CA votes to overturn this travesty of civil rights violation. You freaks called Mormons donated your money in vain. * will be over ruled.Ms. Lopez has forgotten that she is a minority just like gays. If you stifle the gays, then go stifle your Latino people too. Ms. Lopez, if you can't tolerate other minorities, which means YOU, yourself yourself, then shut the F. up.
Posted By: Dave on Tuesday, December 02, 2008
The majority has no right to subdue the rights of the minority. It matters not one whit what their beliefs are, they can't impose them on others by force. Prop 8 is doomed - as is all gay-marriage bans, for they are discriminatory. The religious community will have to suck it up.Mormonism, btw, is a sham religion, the 19th century's version of Scientology. Considering that a lot of their "rituals" were originally designed to conceal polygamy -- especially temple rituals -- their support of Prop 8 is especially galling.If Ms. Lopez appears in your paper, write to the editor and demand she be removed. The hate speech must be stopped.
Posted By: Art W. on Tuesday, December 02, 2008
Posted By: Dave on Tuesday, December 02, 2008 "The majority has no right to subdue the rights of the minority"Really? What planet do you live on?
Posted By: Pinpoint on Wednesday, December 03, 2008
I love how all these people crying "hate speech" and other such nonsense, use such hate in their responses. Maybe they should look in a mirror and tell that person to be more tolerant, before demanding others live up to ideals they, themselves, refuse to follow.
Posted By: Good Life on Wednesday, December 03, 2008
Art--"The majority has no right to subdue the rights of the minority" Really? What planet do you live on?---The bill of rights would be unnecessary to protect the majority. The majority (however that is defined at any given time) doesn't need a bill of rights. The problem is all of us are a minority in some way. And the definition of "minority" changes. Someday each of us could find ourselves in a minority that is picked out. Jews, Catholics, Various Protestants, Mormons, Irish, Mediterraneans, Eastern Europeans, Japanese, Latinos, People with Mental Depression, People that live in rural areas, Gun owners, Liberals, Conservatives, People with various health problems, men....Which minority do we want to pick out next and deny equality to? Could it be a minority that you belong to? Can't happen? I quote you: "Really? What planet do you live on?"
Posted By: Stug on Wednesday, December 03, 2008
Dave- "The majority has no right to subdue the rights of the minority"Art W.- "Really? What planet do you live on?"Um, that would be Earth, Art, particularly the USofA. You remember; Land of the free, Home of the brave, etc. etc.
Posted By: Art W. on Wednesday, December 03, 2008
Stug - I can think of a few examples of how the majority can subdue the rights of the minority . . . yes, right here in the good 'ole USofA. The first one that comes to mind is Abortion. Do you not think the rights of the minority can't be squished with one swing vote of the Supreme Court? Abortion may be a "right" today and gone tomorrow. .
Posted By: Seth on Thursday, December 04, 2008
You know, all you people saying that its the Mormons "fault" that this passed, then say thigs like "The majority has no right to subdue the rights of the minority" realy should sit back and thing about what there saying. In what city, state, or country even are the Mormons the majority, besides Utah? Prop. 8 was passed by ALL the voters of california, not just Mormons that live there. This idea of haveing the masses vote on the laws of this county were actully done to du just the oppisit, to protect the rights of the Majority from being supressed by the Minority. I'm also amazed that some people like Seriously Seriously above want to be taken seriously, yet they do nothing but show their ignorance of the subject matter they chose to share. If Seriously knew anything about the LDS church, its history or orgins, he would know that blacks have never been "denied" membership, and that Joseph Smith never had any sexual relations with anyone befor marriage.Let check our facts befor we post them please people. thanks.
Posted By: Dave on Thursday, December 04, 2008
Oh, I know my facts...Blacks were not denied membership; they were denied the Priesthood, which to a true-believer, would be quite a big deal. This didn't change until Official Declaration #2, from the late 70's. The Declaration (sort of like the one before it, which banned plural marriage) came after intense pressure had been put on the Church. Colleges were boycotting BYU games, for instance. And of course, don't forget that the abolition of plural marriage was the price of admission to the union for Utah.And of course Joesph Smith didn't sleep with anyone before marriage - he invented the idea of plural marriage just so he'd have a "God-sa
